Intro:
This build is mostly aimed at dueling casters
Your damage comes from kick, venom, open wounds, crushing blow
*Venom damage is hidden on character selection screen
*Weapon IAS does not affect kick speed, but type of weapon does
You'll use BoS
Skills
20 Venom
20 Dragon Talon
1+ to Dragon Flight
1+ to Shadow Master
1+ to BoS
1+ to Mind Blast
1+ to Wake of Fire
*Skills are flexible:
You can add to Fire Traps to make a hybrid
You can add to Dragon Flight, but it isn’t necessary
You can add to Mind Blast/Shadows
Blade Shield, Cloak, Light traps etc...
Gear:
Helms
3/20/2 Circlet (30 Ias/30 Res) Circlet - Skills, FCR
2os CoA(30 Ias/30 Res) - Skill, DR, Resists
Andariel’s Visage - Skills/IAS
Armor
Enigma - Teleport
Boots
Upped Gores - Open Wounds/Crushing Blow
Shadow Dancers - Skills/Dex/FHR
Upped SShank - Resists
Gloves
Trang Gloves - Poison Damage/FCR
IAS Gloves - Skill/Ias/Stats/Resists/Etc
Belts
Arachs - Skill/FCR
Dungoes - DR/Vit
Rare belt - Life/Str/Resists/FHR/Etc
Rings
Ravenfrosts - AR/DEX/Cant Be Frozen/Cold Sorb
Angelics - AR/Life
Amulets
Storm Hide - Yeah
Metal Grid - AR/Resists
Maras - Skills/Resist
Highlords - Skill/IAS
Angelics - AR/Life
Rare Sin FCR ammy - Skill/Fcr/Etc
Shield
Stormshield - DR (Ber if LWPB, 15/15 if Fleshripper)
Phoenix - Damage
Spirit - Skills/FCR
Weapons
Last Wish Phase Blade - Chance to lifetap, Might Aura, 60-70% Crushing Blow
Ber'd Fleshripper - 50% Open Wounds, 45% Crushing Blow, Slows Target by 20%
Secondary
Spirit/Cta - for BO
Widowmake - to attack afar versus WW, Hdins, Smiters, Melee, etc
Speeds:
For FHR, you'll either use 48% or 86%
For FCR, you'll either use 42% or 65%
For IAS (Using BoS), you'll need
45 IAS with Fleshripper
30 IAS with Last Wish PB
30 IAS with Widowmaker
Charms:
Shadow GCS
20/5's, 32020's or 20 life scs
Scs with fhr to fill for FHR breakpoints
Torch/Anni
Stats:
Strength - Enough for equip
Dexterity - 75% Block
Vitality - Rest here
Energy- None
Basic Dueling
Traps/MB - Stun... / Damage if you went hybrid with traps
Widowmaker - Versus ww, smite, melee, hammer (Anything kick cant kill)
Dragon Flight - explains itself
Teleport - to move around..
Dragon Talon - You're a kicksin
Full Version: Kicksin Guide
This guide is sexorz.
I was under the impression that having too many kicks (max DTalon) was a bad thing, especially versus casters?
| QUOTE (Athenian @ Jan 13 2007, 10:57 AM) |
| I was under the impression that having too many kicks (max DTalon) was a bad thing, especially versus casters? |
you could keep it low at 2 or 3 but you lose ar/dmg
shouldnt matter that much if you keep them stunned in traps
i thought crushing blow wasnt much of a dmg factor when dueling? Even if it is casters that don't have any or much dr.
Would it be better to Um the fleshripper to increase the chance of OW?
also, is the widow worth losing the cta?
I know w1zad3pt has one of the best GAS/Kickers on east using widow but i haven't really seen any sins using widow. Just barbarians.
Would it be better to Um the fleshripper to increase the chance of OW?
also, is the widow worth losing the cta?
I know w1zad3pt has one of the best GAS/Kickers on east using widow but i haven't really seen any sins using widow. Just barbarians.
| QUOTE (lotd @ Jan 14 2007, 11:40 AM) |
| i thought crushing blow wasnt much of a dmg factor when dueling? Even if it is casters that don't have any or much dr. Would it be better to Um the fleshripper to increase the chance of OW? also, is the widow worth losing the cta? I know w1zad3pt has one of the best GAS/Kickers on east using widow but i haven't really seen any sins using widow. Just barbarians. |
its useful you equip it only when you need it, but usually cta..
also equip it in team duels
crush does help but id say 50% ow is enough, and more if you use gores
if you can keep the casters stunned youll hit them enough to get OW on
Does DS work with kicks?
A DS/OW based Kicksin would own a fucking lot.
EDIT: Well, I just did a little research and apparently DTalon does NOT trigger DS
A DS/OW based Kicksin would own a fucking lot.
EDIT: Well, I just did a little research and apparently DTalon does NOT trigger DS
| QUOTE (Gurthang @ Jan 14 2007, 02:28 PM) |
| Does DS work with kicks? A DS/OW based Kicksin would own a fucking lot. EDIT: Well, I just did a little research and apparently DTalon does NOT trigger DS |
nope no ds
nice guide ^^
lets duel later
i made a fb'r 'i wanna c this char in action
lets duel later
i made a fb'r
'i wanna c this char in action
hey what type of 3/20/2 should we use? traps?
| QUOTE |
| hey what type of 3/20/2 should we use? traps? |
3/20/2 would be shadow disc circlet. imo its better to go with a rare 2/20/30frw/+ circlet if you choose a circlet setup for your fcr.
Some notes about this guide:
Its a pretty bad guide for pvp. =\
Major mistakes are recommending to maxing talon, not maxing mindblast, and incorrect ias bps for weapons among other mistakes in this guide.
Why recommend 208str req boots when up'd gores or dancers are both more effective and easier to come by. LWPB just sucks for pvp, so does pheonix. If it's a PvP kicksin trangs should be the only glove choice.
Guide claims to be for caster dueling but doesnt mention c/c options. If youre going to use w/s max block for a kickvsAll build use Um'd fleshripper, not Ber'd. If you want a true caster killer, go with vita c/c kicksin, even a kickvsAll w/s maxblock kicksin would do better vs casters with a c/c swap stashed.
This guide has way too many shortcomings imo, and suggests a bunch of items without explaining how they interact together or how they achieve different bp goals.
Important stuff for building kicksins:
Some notes about this guide:
Its a pretty bad guide for pvp. =\
Major mistakes are recommending to maxing talon, not maxing mindblast, and incorrect ias bps for weapons among other mistakes in this guide.
Why recommend 208str req boots when up'd gores or dancers are both more effective and easier to come by. LWPB just sucks for pvp, so does pheonix. If it's a PvP kicksin trangs should be the only glove choice.
Guide claims to be for caster dueling but doesnt mention c/c options. If youre going to use w/s max block for a kickvsAll build use Um'd fleshripper, not Ber'd. If you want a true caster killer, go with vita c/c kicksin, even a kickvsAll w/s maxblock kicksin would do better vs casters with a c/c swap stashed.
This guide has way too many shortcomings imo, and suggests a bunch of items without explaining how they interact together or how they achieve different bp goals.
Important stuff for building kicksins:
| QUOTE |
Aim for: -max kick speed (this should only be an issue if you want a faded build, if you use BoS ias problems dissapear, check the ias tables thread to see if you can fade with whatever setup you're using) -65+ cast -86+ fhr -60%+ weaponblock -maxed resists -slvl 23 or 29 kick after +skills depending on if you want 4 or 5 burst kicks, do not exceed this. Your basic skill layout should be: x dtalon (as mentioned before, slvl 23 or 29 after +skills) 1 flight 20 venom 20 mindblast 1 ls 1 wof 1+ shadow master rest of points to raise weapon block to 60% after that you can choose to max shadow master, get cloak to -95%, or get more weaponblock, your choice. |
For weapon/shield setups:
| QUOTE |
| max block, ber'd SS, use BoS. Top pvp weapon choices for w/s: Um'd fleshripper Um'd death's web Um'd wizardspike Lacerator Don't bother with LWPB or beast like some other guides suggest, trust me they suck for pvp kicksins. |
For claw/claw setups:
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| For claws, you should decide on if you want a fade or BoS build. imo kickers are best suited to use BoS with high frw to r/w in combat a lot. Fade may make for easier resists however, if you choose to fade, this means you need to reach 7/3 kickspeed, this is not achievable on all claw types. For 2x runics or 2x gt (-30wsm) you need 46 ias to hit the bp, ias can be from anywhere except the offhand claw. For runic/feral (-25wsm) you need 56 ias For runic/wristsword (-20wsm) you need 68 ias If you want to fade its recommended you use a claw with 40 ias as primary, this makes reaching these bps easier. If you use BoS this all doesnt matter much, look at the ias tables thread, notice you can hit 7/3 kicks on BoS even with slow claws. Primary claw needs to have high ow%, this means: Malice (bos only claw) Fury gt/rt UmUmUm artisans gt/rt of quickness UmUm fools (bos only claw) UmUm fools gt/rt of quickness Offhand claw: +6 venom claw with facets jade talon (good way to get resists for BoS kicksins) bartucs (good +stats to build around for low budget setup but not as good as +venom claw for higher budget setups) |
Concerning jewelery and fcr bp goals:
| QUOTE |
| ways to obtain 65+ cast bp: trangs/arach/circlet/ring trangs/arach/griffons trangs/arach/08valk trangs/arach/circlet/amulet trangs/circlet/ring/crafted amulet (ow belt setup) trangs/arach/ring/crafted amulet (coa setup) Jewelery really depends on what fcr setup youre going with to achieve 65, if you need to use a amulet or ring slot for additional fcr. If you dont need a particular jewelery slot for fcr: high budget amulet of choice: something similar to stormhide: +2asn/+res/+dual stats rare low budget amulet of choice: cats eye high budget ring of choice: +dual stats/+res/+ar rare low budget ring of choice: second ravenfrost You can also use the second ring slot as a utility slot for wisp/dwarf if you want to bm. (not recommended) |
There are a few variants of pvp kicksins, from pure vita c/c casterkillers, to kickvskick focused builds, to kickvsall kick/bowsin hybrid, to wwhybrid, to trapperhybrid. Maybe at some point I'll put together an organized kicksin guide, until then these copy/paste snippets should help players trying to follow a vague and somewhat faulty guide as the one posted here.
hey w1zad3pt, thanks for the help, in ur opinion whats best weapon for w/s kicker?
out of all of those?
are the ones u listed ur opinion from best to worst?
out of all of those?
are the ones u listed ur opinion from best to worst?
Uh it depends on your opponent.
For most serious duels I use fleshripper for the 75%ow/20%slow, in pub games I find death's web dominates (I mean it really really rapes pub games) more than other weapons because most public opponents wont have high resists and you can exploit on that. Wizardspike is good vs zons druids and sorcs or when playing support in teams, also a good way to stack resists, strong vs blizz or orb sorcs. Lace is decent overall vs all and good in teams.
If you only have the budget to get a few weapons start with having Um'd fleshripper and Um'd wizardspike in your stash.
For most serious duels I use fleshripper for the 75%ow/20%slow, in pub games I find death's web dominates (I mean it really really rapes pub games) more than other weapons because most public opponents wont have high resists and you can exploit on that. Wizardspike is good vs zons druids and sorcs or when playing support in teams, also a good way to stack resists, strong vs blizz or orb sorcs. Lace is decent overall vs all and good in teams.
If you only have the budget to get a few weapons start with having Um'd fleshripper and Um'd wizardspike in your stash.
thanks for help,
im confused tho,
should kickers use enigma, or rely on DF
im confused tho,
should kickers use enigma, or rely on DF
Kickers should use enigma always. Flight is a 1 point untility skill for when you can't establish a namelock or when someone is barely offscreen (this may take practice learning how flight works because it can fail to cast) if you can avoid it, you should always try to teleport on opponents with dtalon rather than use flight.
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